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Is it possible to fight for gender equality for women AND men?

November 3, 2014 by Inside MAN 4 Comments

John Barry is a chartered psychologist who likes the idea of gender equality for women and girls and thinks it should be applied to men and boys too.

—This is article #33 in our series of #100Voices4Men and boys 

We see it time and again: in hurt and high moral tones, someone makes a deliberately attention-grabbing remark supporting gender equality for women; a valid challenge to the point is made but dismissed without proper consideration, and the challenger quickly feels that proper discussion of gender equality is effectively prohibited.

For example, Ms X says ‘We need gender quotas to get more women into the boardroom to redress the historic culture of gender inequality in the workplace’, to which Mr Y replies ‘Quotas don’t promote equality, they impose positive discrimination. People should get jobs by virtue of their skills not by virtue of their sex’.

Although his rebuttal is completely reasonable, his point falls on deaf ears. But maybe there is an important lesson to be learned here: if the way you make your point always leads to the dog house, then it’s time to think about making your point in a different way.

Gender equality could be a common goal

Put it this way: if a feminist is says ‘I want equal rights for women’ and you say ‘In reality you are demanding special rights for women, and that tramples on the rights of men’, the result is usually two people not listening to each other, and the potential for progress is limited.

However if you step back for a second you see that on one level both people are demanding the same thing: equal gender rights. In other words, they are really on the same team. Therefore instead of each person taking the opposite side in a debate, maybe both could focus on fighting for their common goal of gender equality.

So how do we start to focus more common goals?

Well here are some suggestions. Next time someone says ‘We need gender quotas to get more women into engineering’, you might say ‘If we want to use quotas to achieve gender equality, then let’s also have quotas for men in fields that are dominated by women, for example, quotas for male teachers in the classroom and quotas for male psychologists’.

Taking another example, if someone says ‘Most women don’t report when they are raped. We need better support for rape victims’, try saying ‘Yes, we need to hear the voices of rape victims, including the thousands of men who are raped every year in prison, which is hardly ever reported. Let’s work together to support male and female victims of rape’.

Men are  a gender too! 

Or if someone says ‘Women earn less than men in sports, due to sexism’, you might say ‘Yes: one solution would be to make all sports mixed-sex and let the most successful sportsperson earn the most pay. In addition, let’s have equal pay for male part time workers and male models, who at present earn less than women’.

What I am suggesting is that if someone says they want gender equality, then it might be necessary to remind them that ‘gender’ includes men, and that ‘equality’ implies equal treatment. If someone claims to support gender equality but only for women, they need to know that they have either misinterpreted the term ‘equality’ to mean ‘special rights for women only’, or misunderstood the term ‘gender’ to mean ‘women only’.

So if they really want gender equality, let’s remind them that they need to dedicate themselves to championing men’s rights just as vociferously as they do women’s rights.

—Picture credit: Flickr/Tom Magliery

John Barry is a chartered psychologist and works as a Research Associate at UCL Medical School, London.

You can find all of the #100Voices4Men articles that will be published in the run up to International Men’s Day 2014 by clicking on this link—#100Voices4Men—and follow the discussion on twitter by searching for #100Voices4Men.

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  • Darren Ball

    Hi John,

    Sadly, when using the this tactic the response I get is usually a dismissive “what about teh menz?”. Or, “why can’t we talk about a women’s issue without always having to talk about men?”, even though nobody ever talks about men’s issues other than when they’re piggy-backing on a conversation about women.

    What you describe is really difficult to navigate.

  • Daniel Mirante

    I agree with Darrens comment – AND the article, which is good willed, but seems to underestimate the problem.

    Nobody is campaigning for equal pay for male models or equal quotas for men in teaching (or more serious issues such as military draft, homelessness, suicide and early death) because men are not taught to feel hysterically oppressed.
    Through feminism, micro-issues can piggyback on enormous globalised claims of ‘rape culture’ and ‘patriarchal oppression’. Because of this framing, people have to take very seriously even small qualms like computer game imagery or tropes in popular entertainment.

    Men do not have this context, this sense of ‘its time to listen to our problems because we have been subjugated’ – people do not believe men have been subjugated specifically because of their gender by a number of things – the general societal control matrix that runs off the belief we (both men and women) are free to chase material acquisition and success, but also the feminist belief that men’s opportunities and privileges are so much greater than womens.

    If you claim any form of subjugation aimed specifically at the male, you are flying in the face of patriarchy theory, which is rigorously upheld and defended by people allied to the feminist ideology.

    Even with all the recommendations made here about how to have a dialogue, you will still be silenced or shamed. You can’t even talk facts, sorry. And thats the problem in a nutshell.

  • http://redpilluk.co.uk William Collins

    Yes, I agree with the previous two commenters. Basically, the reasonable suggestions of the article are what has already been tried. Here is one example from my own experience. A certain trade union, which has members in both the STEM and teaching professions, produced a calendar with pictures of women in STEM professions bearing captions stating the low percentage of women in the represented jobs. I bought a calendar and took the opportunity to suggest they produce one for men in primary school teaching (pictures of such men with their class would be a winner, I thought, and promote a positive image). They were not interested. Full stop. So where do you go from there?

  • Nigel

    John you are quite correct. But I’m afraid the commanders are also correct. After a decade of such an even handed approach I have learned that in fact the emotional investment in taking on a role of “victim” allied with the privileges that come with it means that however factual and reasonable one is one usually ends up in a ” ‘ cause we say so ” from people whose actual power to direct local and national policies give the lie to the notion of the blanket oppression. Frankly patience had worn thin because the real losers in all this are not the well heeled professionals but the swathes of ordinary people ( both men and women) whose lives get blighted by their “betters” social engineering projects. It is quite simply the case that the “bottom” of the social heap are working class boys but not far behind are girls from poor backgrounds .

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