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Is there a male positive way to talk to young men about sexual consent?

December 15, 2015 by Inside MAN 14 Comments

Following the controversy over Warwick University student George Lawlor’s criticisms of sexual consent classes, one young man argues that if we want to engage men in discussions about consent, we need to have genuine empathy for how this might make them feel.

Anyone who follows discussions about “gender issues” in the news will probably have heard the story of how a student at Warwick University named George Lawlor recently caused an uproar with an article that he wrote for an online student newspaper about his negative reaction to being invited to attend a workshop on sexual consent.  His piece provoked a negative and often mean-spirited response from many people on social media and in the press, although he also received plenty of support.

Watching all of this unfold was a thought-provoking experience for me.  I asked myself how I would have responded if I had been invited to attend a consent workshop when I was at university, just over 10 years ago.  I would not have responded like George did although I can see why he took offense to the invitation – he described the invitation as “loathsome”, “the biggest insult that he had received in a good few years” and “incredibly hurtful” because it implied that he “needed to be taught how to not be a rapist”.  I am aware that I am coming to this subject quite late and that much has already been written about it.  But as a straight man who has been through a process of overcoming a great sense of shame about my sexuality and who also supports teaching about sexual consent in schools and at universities, I feel that I have something to add to the subject.

I want to begin by explaining to you why I can empathise with George’s reaction.  In teaching young men about sexual consent, it seems inevitable that we would need to ask them to consider whether they could potentially carry out an act of non-consensual sex – a crime that would hurt another human being, which in our society carries more shame than almost any other crime.  There is no reason to believe that this should be an easy subject to talk to young men about.  Most people want to believe that they are fundamentally good people who would not be capable of harming anyone and are likely to react negatively and become defensive when asked to consider the possibility that this might not be the case.  Whatever your opinion on the necessity and effectiveness of consent workshops, I hope that you can see that many young men will feel that these workshops implicitly place their sexuality under suspicion  and as a result it is an understandable human response to take offence at the suggestion that they should go to one.

‘Don’t assume I might harm someone because I’m a man’

If we want to have constructive conversations with young men about sexual consent then we surely need to accept and engage with them when they react negatively to being asked to talk about it.  Sadly, much of the negative response to George’s article took a shaming and derisive tone which will only serve to make it more difficult to engage young men in the conversations about sex that they need to have.

Much of the negative response focused on the picture that accompanied Gorge’s article – of himself holding a card reading “this is not what a rapist looks like”, which many people took to be a ridiculous statement that potential rapists can be identified by their appearance.  I think that his inclusion of the picture was very misguided but given the context of his article, I found it clear that he was saying “don’t assume that I have the potential to harm women just because I am a man”.  I can imagine many people who feel they are being negatively stereotyped feeling the need to say something along the lines “this is not what a [negative stereotype about the group to which I belong] looks like” and for the message to be broadly understood, but when it comes to a subject as highly emotive as rape, this message was obviously never going to get across.  It was an open goal that people on social media weren’t going to miss and so a lot of the responses to his article took the form of commenting on how “rapey” he looked.

The fact that a potential rapist cannot be identified by their appearance or broad demographic group also formed the basis for some of the responses in the press.  Bridget Christie wrote a piece for The Guardian entitled “What does a rapist look like anyway?” and Rebecca Reid wrote an article for The Telegraph entitled “Breaking news: rapists can be nice university educated boys”.  These articles express many reasonable ideas that most people will have heard many times before and could not rationally disagree with.  However, I think that both articles also indicate that we are still missing a key aspect of this discussion – the emotional reaction of young men when they are asked to talk about and be educated about sexual consent.  If we fail to address this, then writers like Bridget Christie and Rebecca Reid will have to continue making these same points over and over again.

Are sexual consent classes really ‘simple and benign’?

Sadly, both authors seem to be almost wilfully tone deaf about this aspect of the discussion.  The authors of these articles, being women, will never have been asked to consider the possibility that they might rape someone yet they presume to understand what it is like to be young man who is asked to do that.  The summary of Christie’s article stated: “If anyone has a right to be offended, it probably isn’t George Lawlor for being invited along to a sexual-consent workshop” and describes Lawlor’s response as an “extreme reaction to a simple, benign request which shows how far we have to go in terms of how we tackle, and even discuss, the issue of rape”.  There is nothing “simple and benign” about being asked to consider the possibility that you might seriously hurt another person and she does a disservice to everyone by referring to it as such.

Reid writes:  “If you don’t start consent education in childhood then you end up with young men, like Lawlor, who whether they understand consent or not, believe themselves to be above even having the conversation at all.”  Reid’s article is the more measured of the two and I agree with her that consent education should be started earlier in schools but her tone is unhelpful.  As a woman, she can already consider herself “above” being invited to consider whether or not she might rape someone, and therefore has no reason to consider how deeply uncomfortable and emotionally painful it might be for young men to go through the process of assessing their attitudes to sex and to women and considering whether they might be harmful.

The worst thing about both these articles is the tone of mockery and judgement that they take towards what George wrote, something that they have in common with much of the negative response on social media.  If young men feel that their understandable resistance to talking about sexual consent will be met with this kind of mockery and judgement, then they are likely to disengage with the process altogether and potentially seek out less healthy places to discuss how they are feeling.

‘Young men increasingly feel they are being judged’

The Telegraph also published a far more constructive article by Radhika Sanghani entitled “Calling this naive student a ‘rapist’ ain’t helping anyone”.  In it, she writes “it is a sad indictment of our society that people have reacted to Lawlor’s views with hatred and anger” and “the only way to educate more people about the complex reality of rape is by talking about it and creating an environment where questions can be asked.”   She quotes an expert who says about the response to George, “it would be better if people challenged him productively, without judgement and with respect”.  I am in agreement with much of what she wrote, although she doesn’t seem to acknowledge how difficult it has become for young men to feel like they won’t be judged and will be respected, especially when discussing highly-politicised and challenging issues such as sexual assault.

Men of my generation grew up in an environment where we were bombarded with negative messages about men and there seemed to be no understanding from society that this might be affecting us.  We were constantly being asked by society to assess our thoughts, feelings and sexual urges for anything that might be harmful to women yet there was no consideration of how this was making us feel about ourselves – it was just seen as something that we had to do, otherwise we would potentially become the kind of monstrous men that we heard about on the news who harmed women.

As a young man I found the messages I received about my sexuality frightening and alienating and they certainly did not create an environment where I felt like I would not be judged and would be respected.  Moreover, the nature of the public discussions about these issues made me feel like my emotional and sexual development simply did not matter other than in terms of how it might affect girls and women.

I am not suggesting that we stop talking about difficult and important subjects just to spare the feelings of boys, but we need to make sure that boys don’t feel overwhelmed by negative messages about being male.  We need to meet their defensiveness about certain subjects with compassion rather than contempt.  As a society we also need to do more to support the emotional development of boys – and to make sure boys know that we are doing this because we value their well-being rather than just because we want to reduce the chances of them becoming harmful to women

Things need to change if we are to have constructive conversations with boys and men about sexual consent.  Many of the same things need to change if we are to support boys in growing into healthy confident men in their own right, and this should be seen as no less important a goal.

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  • vfr100

    Hi I am new to this site and I just want to say what a refreshing change it is to read about men and boys issues, especially in the manor you do – not provocative or anti feminist but logical and insightful.

    To be honest I thought I was the only guy who noticed the continuous drip of negativity there is around being male in the UK ?

    Your sentence “but we need to make sure that boys don’t feel overwhelmed by negative messages about being male” is so true but the attitude throughout our society is male=bad, female=good and it is threaded through adverts (the current ridiculous Tesco advert stands out), drama (the constant “its hard to find a good man” conversation between female players, together with routine violence on men even by women which is seen as acceptable) and of course the newspapers with new “research” every week that suggests men are worse at something than women or have caused x or y problems for women.

    But these are just the everyday sexism articles beamed into our homes, the more hidden inequalities around suicide, homelessness, health spend, education etc etc just remain a taboo subject.

    Personally I find the suggestion of a consent class for university students deplorable as it starts with a sexist position. I admire the student for not attending and standing up for his own beliefs (although the picture was a mistake). I read a story in the Telegraph yesterday about a proposal for more gender neutral toilets in which one activist wanted gender neutral toilets but another one for females who might like some privacy. The assumption being of course that men do not need such consideration. I could go on of course.

    So thanks for this blog, I look forward to more articles.

  • Czarny kapturek

    I totally agree about the need to assess the impact that such courses and a general “men are capable of doing evil things” mindset can have upon young men. When I was a student in the 90s I probably would have been full of empathy for such courses and gladly gone there. At the time I was used to anti-male viewpoints transmitted via family members and the media. This resulted in me being self-loathing about my maleness, I tried to hide it and eventually this, among other things led me to self-harm and have suicidal thoughts for years, accompanied with years of unemployment. Throughout this time I wrestled with society’s view that men are perpetrators and women are victims, while being a victim of violence and sexual abuse by females myself. This discrepancy resulted in massive tension and I couldn’t live with it productively.

    Thank God for the likes of insideMan who thematise such issues. If only it had existed in the 90s or I would have heard of Robert Bly then, perhaps then I would have been able to articulate to myself what the issue was about.

  • Truman

    Back when I was at university, I had so little chance of getting laid that sexual consent classes would have just confused me. It would have been like a class on defensive driving for someone who didn’t know how to drive, I just wouldn’t have been able to relate to it at all.

    I think a lot of young men need to hear messages such as:

    – it’s ok to want sex
    – it’s ok to express your attraction for someone
    – women want sex too
    – as a man it will generally fall on you to guide an interaction towards dating and/or sex, that a woman you’re speaking to may well *want* this but usually won’t take the lead for you.
    – it’s normal that mistakes are made, like saying the wrong thing, reading signals wrong, causing awkwardness and embarrassment on all sides, and that all of this is ok too.

    And women need to be involved in these conversations, to better understand the male point of view and to understand the anxiety a lot of men have when dealing with these issues.

    In the context of the above messages, and with a presumption of good intentions on all sides, it would be perfectly possible to “have constructive conversations with boys and men about sexual consent”, to the extent that it’s necessary. I’m sceptical that it’s needed at all, I think the vast majority of people know where the line is. But there could be useful discussions about how much persistence is acceptable when pursuing a woman, how to distinguish between coyness/token resistance and actual resistance, and how to make a woman feel comfortable and show that you know when to respectfully back off, long before there’s any question of consent or the lack of it.

    • Czarny kapturek

      To add to that, one that addresses that women can have ambivalent desires, like men. We want sexual contact but at the same time fear it. To give an example of this from my personal history: Once a girl was lying next to me and started touching me between my legs above the level of clothes. I let this happen and when I tried to reciprocate, she said no, which I respected and took my hand away. A bit after that she broke contact with me and when we finally got into contact again she said that I “hadn’t respected her borders”. That it was her who initiated sexual contact was denied by her.

      Thankfully there were not such courses in her uni, otherwise I may have found myself being femsplained about how bad men are….

      It’s fair enough like when the “I don’t want this” is stronger than the “I want this”‘; it’s fair enough to want to stop and not want things to go further. The issue is being aware of where one’s borders are , and this can be discovered by trial and error. I ended up being a man who asked “is this OK?” many times, while that question was never asked me by women.

  • RoyK

    MaybI e young women students should be required to attend instigation classes about how to make it clear they want sex

  • Groan

    Well what would make sense to address relationships and dating for young people with things like the law interwoven with some useful information and advice to young folk embarking on life. Perhaps a bit earlier in education. There appears to be some bizarre notion around today that children grow up at about 9 and boys in particular should just “know” what is correct in their society. Even at its most basic the external male sex organs and internal female organs are bound to give both sexes different experiences of their bodies and aren’t going to empathise unless helped to understand the other. “Consent” classes on their own are simply chucking in a scare tactic on the basis of “rape culture” which frankly is really a bid for a reversal of the sexual licence promoted for decades. Maybe not a bad thing but doesn’t sit well with “slut walks” and so on.
    So something more sensible for both sexes putting sex and consent in a more straightforward approach to the questions and concerns of people growing into adulthood.
    One absence in the current hoo ha is the absence of engaging young men and seeing what would be useful to them.

  • CitymanMichael

    I agree that young men should have lessons/conversations regarding sexual relations. Young women also need these lessons/conversations.
    Wait, we already have them – sex education.

    Or are these particular lessons only about making young men feeling shame and completely subservient to the sexual whims of women?

    • disqus_AuGvQIPcpF

      Sex education teaches how babies are made. It does not discuss the “deal making” of getting sex from the other partner who may indeed end up pregnant had you not taken sex ed classes.
      I don’t know where you get anything about men or boys being made to feel shame. It teaches how to be certain that the sex you want is also wanted by the person you’re trying to get sex from. Also, women have extremely few sexual whims, and men/boys needn’t be subservient to those exceedingly few whims that you seem to think you have witnessed.
      In fact, there are entire websites devoted to men finding such demanding women, because those women you describe simply do not exist in the real world… or at least are all but impossible to find!
      Lastly, the courses teach all sexes what is OK and what is not OK. Sex may be taboo or uncomfortable to talk about, but it ought not be “shameful”, ffs.
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77b1acc6d8a070eec3d2948b500f34e0019b08990a6fe90a3494d1437411b82d.jpg

      • CitymanMichael

        You have missed my greater point – boys and young men today are being made to feel inferior to girls by all sorts of media especially in the portrayal of their sexuality and then mandatory education classes for boys are added thus ensuring they feel shame for their sexuality. The photo above does exactly that.

  • http://www.genderratic.com/ Ginkgo

    Is there a male positive way? Yes. You start by talking about *their* consent*, which so few seem to give a shit about.

    • disqus_AuGvQIPcpF

      I’ve only seen or heard about getting men’s consent in LGBTQ consent courses. Those tend to be very feminist-friendly, if not feminist owned and operated.
      In the straight world, men’s consent, sad to say, is rarely if ever at issue, as he is the one trying to get the precious, precious sex from anyone.

  • Mr. E

    I completely agree with the article.

    I am curious however, since RAPE is not limited to exclusively ONE GENDER- why we don’t simply require EVERYONE to take DONT RAPE classes. And then the WOMEN will get a bit of what the MEN have been feeling- PLUS some handy advice for themselves about HOW NOT TO RAPE.

    • https://www.pinterest.com/bconservative/ Carrie

      Both women AND men are to attend these courses.

      I don’t know what manner of guilty conscience has been mis-informing men that these courses are male-only.

      See if you can attend one of these, you’ll see it’s nothing, repeat NOTHING like, “Hey guys, stop raping women, mm-kay!” and a LOT more like how to make sure the sexual event is happy and consensual for all.

      I attended one (despite not being a student) and the audience was maybe 60-65% girls. The course also taught how not to give mixed signals, how not to wake up in the morning with feelings of regret, etc, all of the things men have been b!tching about since time immemorial.

      • Mr. E

        If you say so, I will take you at your word. It would please me to be wrong on this issue.

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