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‘Masculinity isn’t toxic — our attitudes to it are’

May 8, 2016 by Inside MAN 20 Comments

On Thursday night the world-famous, 200-year-old Cambridge Union Society — whose speakers have included everyone from Stephen Fry to the Dalai Lama — hosted a debate entitled: “This House Believes Masculinity is Damaging to Everyone”.

The six panelists debating the motion included insideMAN’s Features Editor, Dan Bell; Samaritans CEO, Ruth Sutherland; Marketing Director of the Lad Bible, Mimi Turner and Clinical Psychologist, Mental Health Campaigner and friend of insideMAN, Martin Seager.

Here’s the presentation Martin made as part of his powerful argument in opposition to the motion:

  1. Masculinity isn’t harmful or toxic, just our attitudes to it including the title of this debate! The implication is that masculinity requires genetic or social engineering! The masculine gender is the only group not protected by political correctness – the only group whose identity we can publicly demonise and get away with it – we don’t ask women, homosexual or disabled people or faith or ethnic groups to change who they are – we celebrate their identity – but we never celebrate things masculine – even Shakespeare is never celebrated for his gender – soldiers are never thanked for their gender — we only ever see the bad side of masculinity.
  1. Masculinity and femininity of course are the Yin and Yang of the Universe – they come as a system and shape each other.
  1. Masculinity isn’t something we choose or a role we play – that would insult transgender people for a start – it is an embodied and evolved part of our species. Gender is not a stereotype — it’s in fact closer to a universal archetype: You can’t split the mind and the body.
  1. It’s equally bad science to see gender as fixed and completely separate from each other – in science differences are measured by averages and there is room for a lot of individual variation and no human is 100% masculine or feminine.
  1. Even if masculine gender was just socialisation – males are raised largely by female adults – so what would that tell us about femininity and the origins of masculinity?
  1. My main point, however, is that males have evolved to protect the social group – the opposite of damaging it.
  1. Our freedom and democracy is based on much male sacrifice. Even at the height of “patriarchy” soldiers without the vote had to die in WWI because of their gender – the Battle of the Somme was near enough exactly a century ago – think Baldrick not Lord Melchett! – we never celebrate the gender of all these soldiers – and on the Titanic the average male survival rate was 20%, but for females 74% — so masculinity has always been about protecting women and children even at times of so called “male privilege”.
  1. Society to this day tolerates massive inequalities in risk, harm and death to males: There is an “empathy gap” — work related deaths are 97% male, homelessness 84%, addiction 75%, life expectancy — a four-year gap, suicides are 78% male, without any gender policy or strategy to tackle these issues. This “male gender blindness” reflects the assumed role of the male as protector. Working class male life (builders, soldiers, servicemen, miners, deep sea fishermen, bin men) carries on as before, unchanged – we all depend on it – it protects us and the risks are necessary.
  1. Masculinity, like anything, can be damaging when taken to extremes – macho culture is clearly not helpful, but this is only one extreme version of masculinity, not the norm.
  1. When damaged, genders do show different patterns of behavioural disturbance – men can be physically violent, sexually aggressive and abusive – but these are a damaged minority, an extreme that is not representative of a whole gender.
  1. Domestic violence in any case is 40% female on male but no-one takes male victimhood seriously and it is under-reported. Social psychology street experiments show that the same level of physical force used by male-on-female perpetrators elicits serious and horrified responses from the public, but female-on-male abuse elicits disregard or even humour.
  1. In the discourse around mental health, masculinity is not respected – it’s seen as emotionally illiterate and men are blamed for not opening up, when it is we who need to listen differently and honour the male gender and emotional style in the way we design services. When this happens  men do talk, open up and get better – men are not emotionally illiterate but differently literate.
  1. The positive value of masculine emotional life is never celebrated – e.g. control and focus in dangerous situations.
  1. It is not men or masculinity that’s toxic, it is our society that is toxic towards things masculine – just as society needed to change to support female identity, rights and needs, it’s also society that needs to change to help men, not men who need to stop being male.

To read about the excellent presentation made by Samaritans CEO, Ruth Sutherland, see their release here

Photo credit: The Samaritans

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  • Mark Brooks

    This is brilliant. Much food for thought and agree with it all.

    • https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914 Academia Sukun

      Shame that the students didn’t. I worry about these attitudes and how they are affecting everyone. I suggest that we all should join a group to help push back. You would be welcome at mine https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914

  • Groan

    Clear and so right. I’m particularly pleased about the point 8. So much of the supposed “debate” appears set as if the whole world just happens. For all the pontifications the vast majority of men don’t work in offices and do do the work that keeps the whole show on the road. There’s risk, dirt, wet and dry trades, long hours, industrial illness and injury and overtime and unsocial hours. Oh. and these days flexible (aka short) contracts. Frankly the attitude is often akin to Margot Leadbetter (seventies sitcom) . It really is a neat trick to ignore such swathes of folk and their challenges (contrary to popular drama stress for instance is a much greater problem the further down our “class” classifications you are) and blame them for their own problems if occasionally the stats get too much of an airing.
    And point 5 is really important as it is simply the case that women are the chief agents of socialisation into “boy” and “man”. Indeed with single parenthood, childcare, education (and the lengthening of time in education) women are probably more in charge of this than at any time.
    There seems more than a whiff of upstairs/downstairs, particularly about work it seems, for the women who provide all the child and other caring roles may not get vilified but their pretty invisible too!

  • Groan

    The hot weather reminded me. Like every summer there will be a series of sad stories as men die attempting to rescue someone in trouble in water. There will be too many. It reminded me of some work done looking at local media reports. It turns out that there were many more such incidents and unlike those in national or regional TV news the majority of the impromptu rescues were successful. So overall the male “have a go” did save lives. Of course one shouldn’t promote such risky behaviour. However it is an illustration of how reporting of risky behaviour, as resulting in double tragedy, may be at odds with the greater good that is done. In addition there are of course all the volunteer sailors of the RNLI.
    In the similar we notice the men whose business goes belly up but seemingly forget the businesses that are or were for a long time successful.

  • http://www.separatingfathers.co.nz KeninNZ

    Nicely put. Just as one of our main news outlets is presenting an incredibly biased series on domestic violence – I look around and see an overwhelming majority of good men in every field of life. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/family-violence/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=178

  • http://www.goldenleafcounselling.com Jennie C-K

    Excellent points made here…interesting that no one has ever suggested that femininity is “damaging for everyone”. The comments about men putting themselves at risk to save others, especially women, are especially important.

    • Groan

      An interesting thought. I suppose the thought is that “femininity” was and is somehow created by a group of men or even stranger all men. Yet like Masculinity it is not all one thing. One can see all sorts of variation. Brought up in an affluent working class area and still living in a similar area it is clear there were and are many variations. Local ideas of “feminine” are much at variance with the next door solidly upper middle class suburb. Ruling the roost at home, working (is Lancashire the only place where women have always had to go to work?) controlling the family budget “Girls nights”(even when the girls are old girls) giving their male partner “spends”. I doubt very much that as the industrial revolution unfolded women didn’t have an active role in creating “femininity” and “masculinity” within the constraints of the economy etc. Certainly there isn’t any lack of confidence in “dealing with men”. Being a beneficiary of the Wilson revolution I went to University. Doing economics I dabbled in Social Studies (sociology) where I found a load of folk from a “Jane Austin” type of world looking at my world like anthropologists visiting an exotic island.
      So many years later many things have changed but still its common to here men refer to their “spends” and the patterns I recall to continue with variations, mainly the absence of church going and some of the trappings of being “respectable” i.e. being officially married (though there is still a strong but inaccurate belief in “common law marriage”).
      Of course there are power imbalances and variations but I doubt very much the women have simply let “femininity” happen to them from on high.

  • Greg Andresen

    Great stuff. Another point I would make is that masculinity – both socialised and biological has been created by women. Over the Millenia, women have chosen to mate with those males who have the characteristics that we associate with masculinity today (strength, protective ability, risk taking, sacrifice making, etc). Those men with less masculine characteristics weren’t chosen by women and thus their genes died out.

  • Paul

    According to the Samaritan’s page “The motion was carried with 51 in favour and 19 against.”

    That’s pretty damn disgusting. I think the policemen and firemen and ambulancemen and alcohol/food delivery men and maintenance men should just refuse to attend that cess pit of misandry. See how long they survive.

    • https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914 Academia Sukun

      The world has become very strange when half of humanity is regarded as sub-human. Everyone should join a group to help push back. You would be welcome at mine https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914

  • Nikola Reljic

    The Damage is done! Now let´s see how everything burn!

  • Rick Bradford

    The motion was carried with 51 in favour and 19 against. Depressing.

    • http://www.goldenleafcounselling.com Jennie C-K

      Not just depressing, its astonishing. You might as well start to argue that DAY is better than NIGHT, or that black is better than white…and I am not talking about race here, but opposites, polarities. If masculinity is damaging, then so is femininity. What happened to logic?

    • https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914 Academia Sukun

      I get depressed too, but it makes me want to correct this. Everyone should join a group to help push back. You would be welcome at mine https://plus.google.com/communities/101210510523447493914

  • Whothehell Cares

    If masculinity is a toxic social construct, Feminism is a toxic social destructor.

  • arrow2010

    This “toxic masculinity” thing is downright evil. Men built civilization and keep it from crumbling every day. Anyone who attacks these men is a fucking demon.

  • BASTA!

    Masculinity isn’t toxic; it has been poisoned.

  • NickyB

    Disgusting and hateful prejudice behind the assertion of this debate at Cambridge. Shame shame shame on them. These ‘feminists’ are truly despicable and damaged individuals and the funders and academics who support them ought to be taken over the coals for allowing this outright contempt of men. Sickening. By the way… Fantastic analysis here.

  • BASTA!

    One important point about the “macho culture”: it is not masculinity taken to extremes, it is masculinity driven to extremes by three generations of hostile discourse. It is the masculinity that has shed every part of itself that introduced vulnerability to it, autotomized everything assailable, and retained only what feminists won’t touch with a dirty mop on a 10-foot pole.

  • Gabriel Ene

    The stupidity , hypocrisy , lies and double standards of nowadays feminist ideology is toxic. THAT’S what is really… really… toxic.

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