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Why I Changed My Mind About International Men’s Day

November 1, 2016 by Inside MAN 12 Comments

It’s time for progressive thinkers to expand the public conversation about men and masculinity and embrace International Men’s Day (19th November) argues a former critic of the day, Joseph Gelfer.

As a researcher of men and masculinities, I have always been interested in reading about International Men’s Day (IMD), even if I have never been particularly fond of it as a concept. Each year a flurry of articles are published in which IMD spokespeople advocate for its importance, while others counter this with a standard “it’s international men’s day 365 days per year” argument.

In short, critics of IMD highlight the unfair parallel drawn between it and International Women’s Day, noting how the latter is about a disempowered minority when IMD is clearly not. Critics also highlight that certain organisations that align themselves with IMD have a darker agenda than merely being “pro-men” and are, in fact, “anti-women”. Numerous feminist researchers and activists who I respect have spoken out against IMD and for a long time this was the position I too held on the matter.

My assumptions about IMD began to be challenged some years ago when a member of the Australian IMD community (where I lived at the time), contacted me to try and gain my support. Of course, I chose not to give that support, but we nevertheless entered an exchange of communications over an extended period of time. In those conversations I shared my concerns about IMD and these were met with some very reasonable responses.

A blind spot in feminist thinking

Further still, my correspondent revealed to me a blind spot in feminist thinking that I had genuinely never considered: critical studies of men and masculinities continually demands the acknowledgement of differing and nuanced masculine experiences, yet does not do a great job of acknowledging such difference and nuance among those groups—such as IMD—it identifies as regressive. In short, critics tend to paint a caricature of IMD that does not bear witness to the diversity within its ranks.

While these conversations did not succeed in converting me to the IMD cause, they nevertheless required me to think more carefully as my opinions continued to evolve. I began to more actively interrogate progressive political strategies to see if their intentions were appropriately aligned with their effects.

Within progressive gender politics there is a goal of all people being treated fairly, regardless of their gender. The work of feminist organisations is crucial in this regard, rightly identifying the gendered experiences of women that stops them from enjoying the wellbeing they clearly deserve. But there is a reluctance within progressive gender politics to provide equal support to organisations that identify the gendered experiences of men.

What happened when a male student gave a talk on men’s issues to his university’s Feminist Society?

Beyond the false binary of men’s rights versus feminism

With some exceptions, what then happens is that those organisations that do refer to men’s experiences find it difficult to be accepted in the progressive domain, which in turn consolidates a tired and often false men’s rights versus feminism binary. Those who are naturally progressive but who also have concerns about “men’s issues” are then faced with the anxiety of being labelled as a men’s rights advocate and consequently often remain silent. This has an unfortunate two-fold effect. First, is stops progressives talking sympathetically about men’s issues. Second, it reinforces the authoritarian caricature painted of feminism by men’s rights advocates.

Such is the anxiety around having anything to do with anyone who might be identified as a men’s rights advocate, many progressives will not engage with initiatives such as IMD even though they may share substantial common ground, such as how gendered experience impacts the wellbeing of all people.

Should feminists celebrate International Men’s Day?

 

My own shift in strategy therefore now moves towards a “big tent” approach. If progressives only work alongside people with whom they have seamless ideological ties, they may find that not only do they have increasingly few allies, but they may fatally undermine the achievability of their own goals.

In conclusion, there are still things I am not keen on about IMD, particularly the anti-women rhetoric of some of the individuals who align with it. However, I am more interested in the growth of conversations about men and masculinities and IMD plays an important role in this. I would rather take the good with the bad than reject IMD in totality.

 

Joseph Gelfer is a researcher of men and masculinities. His most recent book is Masculinities in a Global Era (Springer Science+Business Media, 2014) and he is currently working on a new project, The Five Stages of Masculinity. For more information visit: www.masculinityresearch.com

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  • http://thelonewulf.wordpress.com/ The Lone Wulf

    While I appreciate the open and honest admission of your opinions and thought processes are, I feel it would be remiss if me to not ask an obvious question: Why is it that you seem to be willing to look at the “anti-women rhetoric of some of the individuals who align with it” as if it were the agreed-upon standpoint of most MHRAs while being willing to turn a blind eye towards or even possibly excusing of the more openly-discussed anti-male rhetoric used by many “Feminists?” Hashtags like “YesAllMen” and “KillAllMen” and the like regularly make the rounds in “Feminist”-controlled spaces (which, let’s be honest, is pretty much any social media and mainstream media forum), yet for some reason the only people that need to be considered hateful are the ones who take issue with or openly mock “Feminists” making caricatures of themselves? I ask this because I find it strange that a person who clearly possesses critical thinking skills would exhibit such a disconnect on the topic. Hatred is hatred, regardless of who is spreading it, so why is it treated differently? The claim of “Minority” status is an absolute non-starter when you take a look at the historical reality of the situation versus the exaggerated claims of one particular group. I invite you to look into the videos made by a Ms. Karen Straughan about that particular history and claim.

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  • Groan

    How could one research “gender” without looking at the experiences of males? It is the very most central conceit of many forms of popular feminisms. So much “all men are……….” stuff allied to attempts to suggest that their isn’t in fact a whole variety of experiences. I recommend the video diary of the feminist director of the recently completed documentary “the Red Pill”. Perhaps most telling is her comment that re-examining her feminism improved her relationship with her partner by occasionally listening to him and thinking of him as a person. I gather that in Australia there has been quite a campaign to “ban” the Red Pill. Which as one commentator pointed out proves one of the central points, that “feminists” are not for dialogue or discussion ! rather going to show the importance of IMD.

  • Peter Wright

    When it comes to male homelessness and suicide, every day of the year SHOULD be International Men’s Day.

    Congratulations for seeing past feminist rhetoric to feminist behavior, Joseph. It’s true that feminists are the strongest promoters of diversity on the planet, yet ironically display the most ignorance of real diversity among those supporting men’s issues — a diversity which most all feminists lump into the one category of “regressive men’s rights activists” before summarily dismissing that variety and even censoring them. In that notorious ‘feminist’ move a great range of diversity is lost.

    This post provides great thought-leadership for the profeminist community.

  • http://www.avoiceformen.com/ David King

    There are some important insights in Mr Gelfer’s piece to which I want to draw specific attention, beginning with:

    critical studies of men and masculinities continually demands the acknowledgement of differing and nuanced masculine experiences, yet does not do a great job of acknowledging such difference and nuance among those groups—such as IMD—it identifies as regressive.

    To paraphrase or rephrase, critics of men’s issues insist that their own extremists don’t characterise their movement while simultaneously insisting that extremists within the target of their criticism somehow typify or define their own movement.

    This is hypocrisy, but a necessary one if one wishes to avoid giving legitimacy to the valid points made by the opposition.

    Sooner or later, progressives are going to have to decide what we/they care about most: genuine progressive values about equality, or maintaining control over the public narrative. By definition, you can’t do both because imposing control uncritically privileges some ideas over others (regardless of merit), and that directly supports Mr Gelfer’s proposition of a ‘big tent’ under which there need not be universal agreement, and under which it is possible to coöperate where there is common ground and agree to disagree where there is not.

    It may just surprise a lot of progressives exactly how much common ground there is, as Mr Gelfer hints at.

    It may also come as a surprise that many who chose the “wrong side” did so because there was no moderate ground that adequately spoke for their perspectives, and so they chose what they perceived as the ‘least worst’ option (or else were thrown out by the “right side” for heresy).

    faced with the anxiety of being labelled as a men’s rights advocate and consequently often remain silent.

    Such is the anxiety around having anything to do with anyone who might be identified as a men’s rights advocate, many progressives will not engage with initiatives such as IMD even though they may share substantial common ground

    Given the above, the obvious question that follows is why there should be such anxiety around being identified as an MRA in the first place.

    Are their bad eggs who identify as MRAs? Of course but, mutatis mutandis, there are bad eggs who identify as feminists, which goes directly to the last point.

    Stigmatising a label and then labelling any speech (or, worse, person/group) with which one disagrees is profoundly at odds with constructive debate — and therefore to progressive goals — because you can’t have a debate when half of it is so ‘anxious’ it ‘remain[s] silent’. In fact, it’s downright dishonest rhetoric and strategy to pretend otherwise. Even if you can browbeat people with whom you disagree into silence, you cannot browbeat them into changing their minds, and only by changing minds will you change social attitudes.

    Instead of wrapping up progressive and regressive ideas into a single label based on who espouses them, it is far better to critique specific ideas than the person. First, it deals with the actual problem rather than using the person as a proxy for the problem; and second, the moment the individual is attacked (ad hominem) is the moment that the possibility of constructive public exchange of ideas is lost.

    there are still things I am not keen on about IMD, particularly the anti-women rhetoric of some of the individuals who align with it. However, I am more interested in the growth of conversations about men and masculinities and IMD plays an important role in this.

    The solution to bad speech is more speech, never suppression. The addition of new voices who no longer must fear reprisals for dissent from orthodoxy will drown out the bad speech, including anti-woman sentiment.

    To believe otherwise requires that you believe that most people aren’t fundamentally good and don’t care for social justice. If you believe that, then the only solution is abandonment of liberal values in favour of authoritarianism, a means of government with a very poor record indeed.

  • BASTA!

    The IMD tent is not yours to begin with, so you are not in a position to make it bigger, or demand that it be made bigger. If you ever find yourself in the same tent as the IMD folks, you will be a guest there at best, but more likely an infiltrator.

    • Inside MAN

      Dear Basta

      Your comments completely misrepresent what International Men’s Day is all about.

      International Men’s Day is for everyone, whatever their gender, gender identity and gender politics. Joseph is very welcome to mark the day as are you.

  • crydiego

    Joseph, I can understand why you’re torn on this subject.
    As for me, I’m a MRA and I respect both men and women.

  • Factsseeker

    There is so much anger on both sides of the gender debate that it is difficult to find middle ground any more. The reality is that there are vindictive, cruel, violent women and there are similarly vindictive cruel violent men. There are also many decent, fair-minded, generous women and men in society. Both men and women are vulnerable to intimate partner abuse and to being marginalized and exploited. Society needs a sea change in attitude. Many human beings arer victims in society, not just women only or men only. Vulnerable people need help whether they have an X chromosome or a Y chromosome. Sadly, too many male politicians are exploiting the gender conflict to demonise one side to their own political advantage. Before WW2, women were generally denigrated and men valued because we needed men to sacrifice themselves for society’s survival. Today men are discards, especially weaker, vulnerable men. We live in a time in the 21st century, where inhumanity is just as prevalent in the USA as it is in extremist Islam. It is just more subtly done. Society is being manipulated by the male haters amongst us.

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    We stand full-heartedly by this principle, to have a productive and enlightening conversation, there needs to be a space where people with opposing opinions can feel welcome even if their views differ.

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