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Seriously, why do people think setting men on fire is a joke?

September 9, 2014 by Inside MAN 6 Comments

The Huffington Post has published a joke about different ways to set men on fire, Glen Poole is not amused.

There’s a line in the Terry Pratchett novel, Jingo, that goes: “give a man a fire and he’s warm for a day, but set fire to him and he’s warm for the rest of his life.” It’s a funny line, not because setting a man on fire is funny, but because it reframes a familiar format in an unexpected way.

The same could be said of the mocked-up front cover of an imaginary women’s magazine called “Bloody Awful” published by Huffington Post UK this week. The general joke is that women’s magazines make women feel “bloody awful” about themselves and so the publication contains pretend articles like this:

  • Women richer than you wearing things
  • Sex, have you had it 20 times today? If not what’s wrong with you?”
  • You look so old, just fucking hell”.

—Image by Technically Ron

It’s a clever piece of comic mischief from the hugely talented UK blogger, Technically Ron, who is widely credited as being one of the funniest men on twitter. Now I love funny men (and women) and I’m acutely aware that deconstructing comedy is one of the most humourless past-times known to man but, but, but…….ever since I first saw the cover of “Bloody Awful” I have been asking myself why the following headline is considered to be funny:

“How to set fire to men in 20 different ways”

If you spend a little time on google you can very quickly find 20 different ways that real men have been set on fire, men like Luke Kennedy who suffered extensive facial burns after his beard was set on fire by strangers “for a joke” as he slept on a train in Sussex; Andrew Lyle, whose wife was imprisoned for 22 years for drugging him, dousing him in petrol and setting him on fire in Hampshire and Frank Hancock who was burnt to death in his own kitchen in Catford.

So why is the idea of a woman’s magazine running an article entitled “how to set fire to men in 20 different ways” funny? It reminds me of one of Jo Brand’s classic jokes: “they say the quickest way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, I say it’s through his ribs with a bread knife”.

Once again, the joke is created by taking something familiar (in this case a popular saying) and giving it an unexpected twist. For Jo Brand, these man-baiting jokes worked because they were delivered by a character who pretended to be a bitter, cynical, man-hating singleton, who couldn’t get a boyfriend.

So why is the headline “how to set fire to men in 20 different ways” funny? Is the joke that the readers of women’s magazines are all bitter man haters?

It’s just a bit of fun!

I’ve been checking out Technically Ron’s work to try and understand the psyche of a man who makes jokes about setting men on fire. Ron describes himself as a “blogger and weirdo” who, before twitter was invented, used to “write shit jokes on post-it notes and throw them at people”.

So maybe I should accept Ron’s joke about women committing grievous bodily arson upon men’s bodies in the spirit that it was intended—just a throwaway gag. Much as I’d love to leave it there, it would be remiss of me not to mention that Ron recently become a brand ambassador for @JustforMenUK, purveyors of products for men who want to cover up their greying hair.

In his first blog for the company he wrote: “even those in the most loving of relationships need time by themselves, or you would probably end up in a news report that finishes with the line ‘…and then they turned the gun on themselves’.

Ah yes, jokes about men shooting their entire families, to compliment the hilarity of women setting fire to their men. I must confess, that while the joke about shooting your family leaves me cold, the joke about women setting men on fire did tweak the laughter muscles in my belly.

These are the same muscles that twitch when Jo Brand declares: “How do you know it’s time to wash the dishes? Look inside your pants. If you find a penis in there, it’s not time.”

We no longer tolerate mainstream racist jokes

On one level I think my desire to laugh is cathartic. These jokes that are sexist against men are, in a bizarre way, an acknowledgment that hatred of men (misandry) exists, even though it’s a concept that is rarely a topic of mainstream conversation and it’s often dismissed and denied when it is. The laughter, then, is a fleeting public acknowledgment that this hatred for men may well be real and provides momentary relief from the cultural lie that life is filled with misogyny, but misandry just isn’t a thing.

At the same time, the laughter I feel in my gut is problematic. As Esther Rantzen said of racist comedy, “humour can make prejudice acceptable, makes people comfortable with their worst feelings for each other”. The same can be true of sexist comedy and that includes comedy that is sexist against men.

Rantzen famously stood up to the comic, Bernard Manning, during an interview with Michael Parkinson saying: “When you make a joke about black or coloured people to a white audience, suddenly the prejudice they don’t dare admit to is respectable, suddenly they hear each other laughing and it’s comfortable”.

Typical Men!

The same could be said about “setting men on fire” jokes, with the exception that the worse offenders are sometimes men. So why do some men feel compelled to make sexist jokes at the expense of their fellow men?

It’s usually because those men do not see themselves as Typical Men. Typical Men are viewed as a separate class of people that they don’t belong to because they like to think of themselves of being atypically good men. It’s not surprising, perhaps the negative press about Typical Men is so brutal that men have deserted the man brand like customers abandoning Ratners in the 1990s.

As Technically Ron confessed in one of his blog posts for @JustForMenUK , “I am a complete failure when it comes to the stereotypical definition of a man”. And once individual men stop identifying with “men as a group”, then we disassociate ourselves from our collective identity, we make men “the other”, they become the butt of mainstream jokes like the Black, the Jew, the Gay, the Irish and the Pakistani once were.

It’s a Bloody Awful joke

Of course you could argue that the joke is equivalent to a fake UKIP magazine with the headline “20 ways to set a immigrant on fire”, or a pretend fundamentalist Christian magazine running articles like “how to set a homosexual on fire in 20 different ways”.

But the context is different, the joke here is not to mock women’s bigotry towards men, but to ridicule the way that big business (in this case the magazine industry) makes women feel “Bloody Awful”. In that context, I think I’ve concluded, that the idea of “setting men on fire” is a bloody awful joke.

I haven’t asked Technically Ron for a comment, though he does make the following general statement on the front page of his website—“I am terribly sorry”. So now I’m left wondering whether the decent thing to do is simply accept his apology, or whether I should set him on fire! Boom! Boom!

—Photo credit: Flickr/Stephen Wu

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Article by Glen Poole author of the book Equality For Men

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Filed Under: Men’s Issues Tagged With: Huffington Post, Jo Brand, sexism against men, sexist jokes about men, Technically Ron, Terry Pratchett

  • CitymanMichael

    This story would not be complete without reference to Tom Ball who set himself alight on the courthouse steps in US a few years ago. Tom had suffered the same fate as many men who have committed suicide at the hands of a family court system which simply does not care about men – its only concern seems to be that of giving women what they want.
    Tom’s case is particularly sad – a man who had served his country and was a great man.

    – http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html

    • jimmy

      CitymanMichael: Thanks for posting that article. I read it and I learned from it. Tom Ball was a great man and I hope his soul is in peace now.

  • Nigel

    I agree that the telling of jokes does indeed give strong clues about the “underbelly” of attitudes. In this context then I think make the jokes and take the criticism. Much worse is some sort of PC ban. Simply because this actually hides the truth by making its expression impossible. This pretence then absolves “society” from taking any actual action on the reality. So to paraphrase JS Mill let a thousand offences bloom because then we actually discover what is offensive! So as you say expressing misandry gives an opportunity to expose it and comment. I think the point about the “othering” of men is very perceptive. It reminded me of a book where a female (lesbian) journalist spent a year passing as a man in a variety of social situations. One of her observations (as she joined in a ten pin bowling league) was the way in which a lot of “blue collar” male culture appeared to her to have become a sort of frowned on subculture. Frowned on by the NY society she was familiar with. It strikes me that this is true in Britain . All sorts of negative stereotypes and assumptions appear to be thrown around about “blue collar” men in Britain (ironic given there is a “labour” Party which often appear to lead the charge on this sort of thing). From terms like “White Van Man” there appear a whole raft of attitudes dismissing the workers in our society. In a way that really parallels the put downs of a century ago. Interesting how the class system re-appears with PC being a replacement for “Gentility” as a measure for who can be trashed because they are so un-couth. I have been surprised to see in some of the education debates some “progressives” expressing the view that working class boys don’t need education beyond what is useful. So carry on comedians let the offenses bloom then we can have a go back! And in the process we discover things about what is really “bubbling” in society.

  • John

    Men are the accepted target (particularly straight, white men) in today’s society, which makes them easy prey for weak-minded little weasels.

    People who tell “jokes” such as this are merely showing their lack of creativity and desire for cheap laughter/applause.

    Psychological masturbation by those who tell these types of jokes, and those who laugh at them.

    Unfortunately, this type of masturbatory pandering is what passes for journalism these days.

  • matt

    I was set on fire by a woman while sleeping.. she ripped a letter to shreds, set it on fire, and dropped it on my face setting my hair on fire..

    I also remember my bouncer friend getting doused with lighter fluid once while another girl flicked matches.

    funny?

    • Inside MAN

      Sorry to hear about your experience Matt, thank you for sharing it

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