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Are male students from Mars and female students from Venus?

January 27, 2015 by Inside MAN 4 Comments

Does it matter that men and women are making different choices about what to study at university asks insideMAN’s news editor, Glen Poole.

The current generation of teenagers is probably the most gender equal our country has ever known.

A university education is becoming progressively more accessible to larger numbers of boys and girls; the full time gender pay gap for men and women under forty is around zero and the introduction of shared parental leave will make it easier than ever before for mums and dads to balance work and family life more equally.

So why, when they go to university, are young men and women making such stereotypically gendered choices?

According to the latest figures from UCAS, women are still dominating courses like teaching, nursing and social work while men dominate engineering, building and computer sciences.

Have none of these students read the Guardian recently?

Don’t the girls know that “pink stinks” and “girls do science too”? Haven’t the boys heard that they can wear dresses and play with dolls now?

It seems that no matter how many women’s studies graduates or neuro-feminists universities produce to tell us that gender is all about nurture not nature, the sector is still incapable of creating an education system that nurtures more boys into nursing and more girls into engineering.

This isn’t a uniquely British phenomenon.

Even in Scandanavian countries where gender equality is a national obsession, there are key career paths which remain stubbornly dominated by either men or women. As the groundbreaking Norwegian documentary, Brainwashed, revealed in 2010, even in the most gender equal countries, there are certain sections of the labour market, like nursing and engineering, than remain “men’s work” and “women’s work”.

The standard feminist take on gender segregation in the world of careers, is that it’s all down to the way we’re conditioned. If only boys were allowed to play with dolls and Lego wasn’t so sexist, there would be equal numbers of 18 year olds signing up for nursing and engineering courses.

Spot the difference 

As things stand, 90.9% of nursing students are female and 84.7% of young people studying engineering are male. Other courses dominated by women include education (88% female); social work (87.6%); animal science (84.3%) and Psychology (80.6%). Men, meanwhile, dominate building (84.7% male); computer science (84.3%) and technology (80.9%).

For those progressive liberals who believe that gender is created by social engineering, the persistent dominance of men in “proper” engineering is evidence of society’s deep-rooted sexism against women.

Ask these same people if the even greater dominance of women in nursing, teaching and social work is evidence of sexism against men and they’ll jump through hoops to claim these statistics as more evidence of sexism against women.

They’ll argue that the caring, nurturing professions are seen as “feminine” and therefore rejected by men, because men are misogynistic bastards who have been taught from birth that the worst thing you can be, is a big sissy girl.

Ask if this logic also means that women don’t go into engineering because of women’s sexism against men and you’ll end up back where you started. In the general worldview of left-leaning liberals, when women are under-represented it’s evidence of sexism against women and when men are under-represented, it’s even more evidence that the world is sexist against women.

At the other end of the nature versus nurture debate, you’ll find the types of social conservatives who dream of a less complicated world where 100% of nurses are women and 100% of engineers are men.

Somewhere inbetween these polarities, common sense seems to break out.

According to Professor Simon Baron-Cohen, author of The Essential Difference, the typical male brain is more systemising, while the typical female brain is more empathising and there are plenty of men and women along this spectrum who deviate from the norm.

Baron-Cohen’s work is often quoted by the traditionalist camp as proof that men are men and women are women and never the twain shall meet. This isn’t the professor’s view. He says:

“My own position is that biology and culture interact to create this sex difference. There are some people who would argue that its just biology or just culture but I think the moderate position is both are at work.”

Nature it seems, can help explain why most engineers are still from Mars and the majority of nurses are from Venus. And while we continue to waste time focusing on these polarities, we are ignoring the  middle ground where there has been a huge influx of women into academic fields, previously dominated by men. According to UCAS, while more men and women are going to university than ever before, the gender gap in favour of female entrants has doubled from around 29,000 to 58,000 since 2006.

Mind the gap

At the same time, women have overtaken men in areas of study that were previously male dominated including law (64.9% female students); dentistry (64.1%); and medicine (55.7%). Women are also closing the gap in areas like business studies (45.2% female students); management studies (44.2%) and accounting (43%).

What does this mean for gender equality? Nobody knows because nobody has really bothered to ask. The latest figures reveal the female students entering university in 2014, outnumber men in two thirds of university courses.

Despite this fact, there remains a huge focus on promoting greater gender equality for women in higher education, without an equal and opposite push for equality for men, who are now in the minority. Of course we can also do more to make life better for Venus, but when it comes to education, we really need more focus on improving life for Mars.

—Photo:flickr/Amanda

Article by Glen Poole author of the book Equality For Men

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Women dominate as university gender gap doubles

January 25, 2015 by Inside MAN 28 Comments

The gap between the number of men and women entering higher education in the UK has doubled in under a decade from around 29,000 to 58,000, according to the latest statistics from UCAS.

The latest figures for 2014 also show that two thirds of university courses are now dominated by women. On some courses, such as teaching, nursing and social work, nine out of ten students are female. Last year Dr Mary Curnock Cook, chief executive of UCAS, raised concern about the growing university gender gap saying:

“There remains a stubborn gap between male and female applicants which, on current trends, could eclipse the gap between rich and poor within a decade. Young men are becoming a disadvantaged group in terms of going to university and this underperformance needs urgent focus across the education sector.”

Key Facts:

  • 512,370 students placed in higher education through UCAS in 2014
  • 44.4% male
  • 55.6% female
  • In 2006, 29,780 more women entered university than men
  • In 2014, 57,790 more women entered university than men
  • Women now 27.7% more likely to enter higher education
  • Women outnumber men in two thirds of university courses

Gender Divide By Subject Area:

  • Nursing 90.9% female students
  • Dance 90.1% female students
  • Education 88% female students
  • Social Work 87.6% female students
  • Engineering 84,7% male students
  • Building 84.7% male students
  • Animal Science 84.3% female students
  • Computer Science 82.3% male students
  • Technology 80.9% male students
  • Psychology 80.6% female students

—Photo: UNE Photos/flickr

Article by Glen Poole author of the book Equality For Men

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WWM becomes first men and boys’ charity to win gender prize at Diversity Awards

October 31, 2014 by Inside MAN 2 Comments

Working With Men is a charity doing incredible work engaging with marginalised young men on a range of issues, including violence, fatherhood and education. Here the charity’s Chief Executive, Shane Ryan, discusses why it’s ground-breaking for a men and boys’ charity to win a gender diversity award, their Manifesto for Men and the important work that lays ahead during their 10th Anniversary year.

—This is article #25 in our series of #100Voices4Men and boys 

Last month we won the Community Organisation Award for Gender at the National Diversity Awards. I was genuinely surprised when they announced our name.  At that moment I was sitting back in my chair getting ready to applaud the winner, when I realised they were playing our video on screen and saying our name.

It is a significant moment for us in many ways – not only are we getting a clear message from people that what we are doing is recognised and needed – but it means disadvantaged boys and young men have finally made it onto the public agenda.

We are the first ever charity working specifically with helping boys and young men to receive such an award. Previous recipients of this award have all been women’s organisations. This is great, but there is a penny dropping – true equality needs to work both ways for men and women for everyone to move forward together.

Equality for men and women

Families are the perfect example of the place where the two things can go hand in hand, where there is reciprocity between equality for men and equality for women.

Imagine if we offered all fathers the same level of support and services we offer mothers. We have nearly a quarter of a million fathers in the UK that are stay-at-home dads and two million mums. In 1993 there were less than 120,000 dads. Things have changed. Some women are out at work earning more than men. How are we accommodating that change? This is the reality of 21st century Britain.

The more we offer family services for men, the more we make it OK for them, and, for those women, to make conscious decisions on how they are going to live their lives. This removes the shackle, or the onus, that is constantly on mums to look after children.

If we want to reduce the incidence of children’s involvement in social care, if we want to foster more equitable arrangements around child rearing and parental roles and want a more equal society where both women’s and men’s roles in life and wider society are not tied to historic stereotypes and positions, this has to extend to family life as well as work place and public life.  We have quite rightly witnessed the emancipation of women from enforced roles within society and now hope and expect these rights and freedoms will grow and continue.

Everyone of both genders and from whatever cultural or ethnic background need to be afforded the same rights and opportunities including when it comes to children, families and parenting roles; if we set an expectation or precedent that men can and should be involved in all aspects of parenting not just in the financial provider or occasional babysitter role, we make an important statement about equality for all generally.

Breaking down boundaries

 The work we are doing is breaking down boundaries and is forcing a change in mindset. Not only are we truly humbled that so many people would go out of their way to vote for us among such strong competition, we also recognise – as someone said to me the other day – we now “deserve to be in that field”.

We have really important work ahead of us. For example we want to record the numbers of fathers who are still in school.  Most of the time people don’t acknowledge they are fathers – so understandably they struggle with it. These young men have just been told they are going to be a dad, they can’t get time off to go to the antenatal appointments or the birth. Rather than brand them as boys who need to be punished, we need to keep them involved with the family and support them – the outcomes are better for the whole family, and the young mums we’ve spoken to agree with this as does the associated research. This is why we believe the creation of statutory requirements to capture father’s data where possible by health and children’s services is essential particularly where they may be vulnerable

“An extraordinary 10th anniversary year”

Chief Executive of Working With Men Shane Ryan receives the Community Organisation Award for Gender

We are having an extraordinary 10th anniversary year. It’s snowballing; we have cross-party support for the work we are doing, the next all-parliamentary group on fatherhood is around the corner; press interest is high; we are being asked to speak at  conferences and universities; our fundraising is growing, our profile is stronger, and we are looking forward to marking International Men’s Day on 19 Nov.

And here we are, a small organisation with a funny name!

On a serious note, what is significant is that our national and parliamentary work is growing. Two years ago we took over the secretariat for the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Fatherhood and that added a new dimension to the work.

In this crucial time before the general election we need to show politicians what we have learned in the last decade about how to target marginalised young men and make them feel they have a stake in society. At this point I would like to thank the organisations we also now work with nationally, including Barnardos, Mums Net and the Royal College of Midwifery for their support at the party conferences recently it shows a real shift in mindset. With this in mind our core three-pronged strategy works on a ‘Manifesto for Men’ for the 2015 General Election, developing a robust evidence-based programme that begins to address inequalities in health and education.

We will continue to push the message that there are other paths to walk down – we need to gear up our young men particularly with the tools to do that. Otherwise they can often become lost and unsure what their responsibilities are.

There is more than one way to be male.

Thank you to everyone for your support. We are really proud to have won this award.

To find out more about the great work being done by Working With Men visit their website here and get involved in the discussion on twitter by using #WWM10.

You can find all of the #100Voices4Men articles that will be published in the run up to International Men’s Day 2014 by clicking on this link—#100Voices4Men—and follow the discussion on twitter by searching for #100Voices4Men.

 

The views expressed in these articles are not necessarily the views of insideMAN editorial team. Whether you agree with the views expressed in this article or not we invite you to take take part in this important discussion, our only request is that you express yourself in a way that ensures everyone’s voice can be heard.

 

You can join the #100Voices4Men discussion by commenting below; by following us on Twitter @insideMANmag and Facebook or by emailing insideMANeditor@gmail.com. 

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10 reasons more male graduates end up jobless

July 4, 2014 by Inside MAN 4 Comments

 

This week we reported that male graduates are 60% more likely to be unemployed than female graduates (up from 50% last year). The most interesting thing about this story is that there is no agreed reason as to why this is happening, so we’ve been canvassing opinions all week and come up with a list of 10 possible reasons.

1. Men are less employable because they take the wrong degrees

This is a common suggestion and it’s certainly true that you are more likely to be unemployed if you study medicine than if you take a media studies degree. However, when you drill down into the data you quickly discover that male graduates in nearly all subject areas are more likely to be unemployed than their female counterparts. So while me men who take media studies are certainly more likely to be unemployed than men who take medicine and dentistry; male media studies graduates are 40% more likely to be jobless than female media studies graduates and male medicine and dentistry graduates are 50% more likely to be jobless than female medicine and dentistry graduates. The only significant exception to this rule is agricultural studies, where female graduates are 14% more likely to be jobless.

2. Gentlemen prefer a life of leisure

Proponents of preference theory argue that gender differences in areas such as the gender pay gap are caused not by external forces, like systemic or cultural discrimination, but by internal forces such as our personal preferences. Preference theorists believe that the main reason women earn less is that they prefer to work part-time or prioritize their family.

According to Trefor Lloyd at the Boys Development Project: “The gap between female and male graduates has existed for some while, and says more about male graduate attitudes towards the workplace than the workplace itself.” If Trefor is correct, then the higher rates of unemployment amongst male graduates could be down to psychological factors like personal preference and attitudes towards work.

3 Men lack the necessary social skills to get a good job

Several people suggested that male graduates may lack the relevant skills to perform as well as women in an interview. One insideMAN reader, Daniel Dewey, said: “Men in general have much of their competitive drive removed by the current education system. It makes female graduates who are more complete and sure of themselves than male graduates. That is an important air to have in the interview process.”

Trefor Lloyd at the Boys Development Project agrees with the theory that women may perform better at interviews. He told us: “There is research that suggests that more young women than men possess the softer ‘people skills’ which employers are looking for and certainly at interview. Often young women interview better and have more basic work skills (punctuality, and ability to take an instruction).”

4 Positive discrimination in favour of women

Some people believe that male graduates are the victims of positive discrimination in favour of women. Their theory is that as more employers seek to increase the numbers of women they employ in pursuit of gender quotas, the more male graduates get squeezed out of the picture.

One of our followers on Facebook said: “We are moving away from meritocratic appointment and sliding towards some form of corporate Marxism in which good people go to waste and jobs are allocated on arbitrary demographic. This equality push towards more female employees is creating a greater number of male unemployed. We’ve created a monster potentially.”

5 Discrimination against women

Some people think than men are the secondary victims of sexism against women. As one male reader commented on Facebook: “male bosses hire attractive females to perv on”. Could male graduates really missing out on job opportunities because sexist male bosses have replace the motto “jobs for the boys” with a new catchprase—“jobs for the sexy girls”?

6 It’s the gender pay gap stupid

This is an interesting suggestion from the comments section of insideMan from Anne Dyster who said: “Even in this day and age there is a tendency to pay women less than men for the same job. If women are “cheaper” they are more likely to be employed.”

We’re not convinced that this is true as most evidence on the gender pay gap suggests that it isn’t caused by men being paid more for the same job, but by men working in higher paid jobs and investing more hours in their career lives.

7 It’s discrimination against men

When the statistics about male graduate unemployment were posted on Men’s Rights forums we were offered a number of theories which included: “positive discrimination, gynocentrism, male disposability”; “social engineering”; “making males more disposable/irrelevant” and “pandering to women and ****ing over EVERYONE else”.

8 The End of Men

According to Hanna Rosin, the author of the book The End of Men, women are getting the edge over men in the workplace because of the growth of “white collar” industries. Writing in the Atlantic in 201 she said: “A white-collar economy values raw intellectual horsepower, which men and women have in equal amounts. It also requires communication skills and social intelligence, areas in which women, according to many studies, have a slight edge. Perhaps most important—for better or worse—it increasingly requires formal education credentials, which women are more prone to acquire”.

Trefor Lloyd of the Boys Development Project suggests that some employers may make assumptions that men don’t have the right skills, simply because they are men. He told us: “There is a suggestion that employers can be quite stereotyped about young men NOT having these skills as well.”

9 Are men avoiding the bottom of the male hierarchy

In a world where the majority of primary breadwinners are still male and women still rank ambition and financial success as two of the key traits they look for in partners, male graduates may feel they have a long way to climb when they enter the job market. As well as being more likely to be unemployed, male graduates who are in work are also more likely to earn higher salaries than their female counterparts. This means there is a far more pronounced hierarchy of earnings for men than for women. Could it be that male graduates are more likely to be unemployed because they are hanging out for a better paid job or avoiding the pressure of having to scale the male breadwinner hierarchy all together.

According to Trefor Lloyd of the Boys Development Project: ‘There is research evidence that says many young women leave university and go into the workplace with an attitude that once you are in a job you can move around. So they take jobs often below their qualification level. In contrast many young men think ‘I have been studying for 3 or 4 years, so I am not going to work unless I am paid £30K’. The result is that that they come in at the same level as young women, but on average 6 months later.”

10 We are blind to the problems that men face

Whatever the cause of the higher levels of male graduate unemployment, part of the problem is that we are blind to the problems facing men and boys. If female graduates were more likely to be unemployed we would expect the problem to be highlighted and yet seem blind to such issues when they affect men. As insideMAN reader, Daniel Dewey said: “There is a dearth of support groups, assistance, and tailoring to men throughout education and government, and I think that shows when all else is held equal.”

Mary Curnock Cook, Chief Executive of UCAS agrees with Daniel that we need to pay more attention to the needs of young men in education. She told insideMAN that the stubborn gap between men and women in education could eclipse the gap between rich and poor within a decade. “Young men are becoming a disadvantaged group in terms of going to university,” she said “and this underperformance needs urgent focus across the education sector.”

For more on this story see Ken Harland and Sam McCready, from the Centre for Young Men’s Studies analysis here: So, why ARE male graduates more likely to be unemployed? 

Why do you think male graduates are more likely to be unemployed than their female counterparts? Do you agree with any of the 10 theories above or do you have your own ideas. Either way we’d love to hear your thoughts on this subject, so if you have a theory then please leave a comment below this article.

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So, why ARE male graduates more likely to be unemployed?

July 4, 2014 by Inside MAN 1 Comment

 

By Ken Harland and Sam McCready, co-directors of the Centre for Young Men’s Studies at the University of Ulster

On Tuesday we reported on new figures showing that in addition to the fact that young men are less likely to go to university than young women, when they graduate, they are also more likely to be unemployed. Here two experts in young men’s development talk exclusively to insideMAN about why.

Reasons for gender differences throughout all levels of education are hotly debated and contested.  However, once again we see concerning trends about (young) men and education with the Higher Education Statistics Agency (HESA) showing male graduates are now 60% more likely to end up unemployed six months after graduating than female graduates.

We know that factors impacting upon educational underachievement are complex and must be considered within a wider context of socio-economic issues such as poverty, class, ethnicity, social disadvantage, a declining industrial base and less demand for traditional male jobs.

However, the socio-economic background of graduates is undoubtedly an important consideration in regard to gender, particularly as universities are increasingly targeting those from low participation neighbourhoods in an attempt to widen access and participation in higher education.

What do employers want?

What is unclear from the report is the specific classifications of female and male graduates.  If, for example, females typically attain higher classifications, then a natural conclusion would be that females could have an educational advantage going into interviews.

But we know that in order to successfully gain employment an individual will need more than a high degree classification or other academic qualifications. Increasingly employers look for personal qualities, leadership potential, emotional intelligence, effective communication skills and the ability to work as part of a team.

It could perhaps be further hypothesised that females prepare more thoroughly for interviews and present themselves better than males to interview panels.  It could also be the case that females have higher expectations and ambitions about employment than men.  While these are important considerations, and more research is needed, it is likely that there are deeper and more complex underlying issues in higher education that merit further gender analysis.

‘Pressures of becoming a man’

In our own longitudinal study in Northern Ireland post-primary schools ‘Taking Boys Seriously’ there was a significant lowering of aspirations amongst boys from the age of fourteen, particularly those from areas of high socio-economic deprivation.  These boys believed that even if they did well in school and went to university they were unlikely to ‘get a good job.’  This ‘dawning of a reality’ in regard to future employment opportunities was in contrast to their stereotypical masculine expectations.

Appreciating complexities within the construction of working class masculinities is pivotal to understanding internal pressures that many males feel regarding their sense of identity and what it means to be a man.

Within many working class communities notions of men, education and work remain cemented within traditional male gender roles such as ‘provider and protector.’  Noticeably in the ‘Taking Boys Seriously’ study, there appeared to be little in place to support boys that helped them to explore, reflect and develop a critical understanding of masculinity or what it means to be a man.

What are the answers?

Boys also spoke of a lack of preparedness in making crucial life choices at 14 and 16 in regard to GCSE and A Level selection.   They were concerned about how making the wrong subject choices would impact negatively upon their future employment opportunities and the type of skills and knowledge they would need in preparation for the workplace.  The issues underpinning GCSE concerns for boys in our study were:

  • a perceived lack of a social life while preparing for GCSE’s
  • lack of clarity about the benefits of education for boys
  • concerns about university debt for achievers
  • no immediate perceived gratification or incentives for those who are underachieving

These were all identified as stressors that caused apathy and reduced the value that certain boys placed on education.  Concurrent with ‘pressures and stresses’ of pre GCSEs, is the period in a boy’s life when he may be struggling or coming to terms with his masculine identity and contradictions in regard to what he thinks it means to be a man in modern society.

One note of caution we would add, is the need to look at the issue of trends in education in its entirety and not fall into the trap that we need to close the gap between male and female graduates and employment – educational gaps between boys and girls are clearly happening from a very early age.

This is not to say that young females do not face difficulties in regard to their education, life experiences, life choices and future employment opportunities – clearly they do.

The key point we would make is that despite much debate into gender within all levels of education, there still appears to be a lack of clarity about exactly what are the key issues in regard to gender differences in educational attainment and employment trends between men and women.

For the full report on Taking Boys Seriously see:

http://www.deni.gov.uk/taking_boys_seriously_final.docx.pdf

For more on this story see our article: 10 reasons more male graduates end up jobless 

Photo courtesy: HelenCobain license here

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