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Why I asked the ‘Newsweek’ journalist when he last ejaculated

March 27, 2015 by Inside MAN 9 Comments

I spent many hours chatting to Newsweek journalist Finlay Young, even before he joined in one of our men’s groups. Fin had asked if he could meet up to help with a ‘Newsweek’ cover story article he was writing — they had included my comment and picture, plus The Man Whisperer chapter, in the latest ‘Newsweek’ book about the crisis of male suicide, entitled ‘The Descent of Man’.

For all our lengthy and fascinating discussions about modern masculinity and mental health, there was clearly one simple question that most caught Fin’s attention, and perhaps the attention of his readers as well:

“I was asked my age (29), my name (Finlay), my Western Sign (Libra), my Chinese sign (unknown), and the last time I ejacula … Sorry what? I am a man. I am a man who is not scared of his emotions. But I did not think I was a man who would ever sit in a circle at MenSpeak with Kenny D and talk about when I last ejaculated.”

At MenSpeak men’s groups, men show up with who we really are, beyond old restrictions. We laugh, listen and grow together. We are accepting, accountable, share experiences and feelings. The key is knowing when to ask the right questions, often responding to hidden invitations that shine between the lines of what’s actually said.

‘Why are you asking me this?’

The object of the exercise is to find out who you no longer need to (pretend to) be in the world and your life and let it go, making space for who you really are to emerge and give him a good test-drive amongst other men. It’s about building a bridge from the best of who you are into the world, rather than the group being a safe little haven away from the big bad world. We change our worlds and make the world a better place in the way we live our lives.

We open MenSpeak to the men in the room with a ‘check-in round’, so everyone’s voice is heard and we have an idea of who, what and why is in the room – including elephants. The tone is set and our boundaries are subtly stated. This is essential. It helps to define a point where we feel safe to meet each other in our stories and revelations.

The question ‘The last time I ejaculated…’ opens the floor to all sorts of issues. Most obviously it may open curtains on issues of sex and sexual expression, physiological problems, potential health issues and addictive habits and of course relationship difficulties. Equally importantly, it also flushes out the occasional defensive reaction: “Why are you asking me this?”

The question is but one of twelve which get us started on every open MenSpeak men’s group. Perhaps someone would not understand why I would ask that question unless they also understand why I ask all such questions. If you are interested, let me explain.

‘I’m fine!’

Questions begin with the man to my left, unless it’s his first group, then we move on around the circle to his left where man might simply say “pass”, to move us on to the next man.

‘My name is…’ is the obvious place to start and breaks the separation of the men. Some men enter the room and shake everyone’s hand introducing themselves. Others don’t. Both choices are fine. First, full, or false name for the evening, it’s not an issue.

Secondly, ‘I feel…’ which can sometimes take time to get to, as men begin to feel how they feel and tell the truth. Others are immediately “fine!” which is sometimes challenged, other times allowed by, while that man settles in and feels respected and safe to explore what’s behind ‘fine’. (I’ve heard it said that “FINE” is an acronym for F**ked-up, Insecure, Neurotic and Emotionally unavailable).

Many are gently invited to focus on their breathing and move from thinking to feeling. It’s not about getting the answer right or being caught out, it’s about being present with what’s going on for a while and getting real, making space for pennies to drop, options to appear and life to provide.

‘So… What’s your sign?’

‘What I want from this evening…’ is the landing pad question for every man to take ownership. Men state why we are here. For some it is an urgent, burning issues, for others mild curiosity or a wish to explore male company with depth. Some feel as if they have outgrown the boy’s life and are in need of some man tips, tools and techniques for living. Often one senses that something heavy is being carried and the bearer will make it to the table once the legs have been tested and found strong enough to take it. So we all name our needs and take responsibility for getting them met, whilst probably hoping for the group, or facilitator to take an interest and help meet those needs.

‘Age / Chinese sign / Western sign…’ Often gets the eyes rolling, but is great for those who have issues with their age, while allowing a space for “I don’t believe in all that rubbish!” rebellion in the room as our collective authority is challenged and shared beyond the facilitator. Some know that “38, Virgo, Dragon” is their simple answer but are eager to hear from everyone else and see what happens next in this live game of show-and-tell for men. Groups like this often toe a line between the touchy-feely-esoteric, and the logical-linear-scientific problem solvers at this stage. This question helps to marry those two dynamics so they pull together rather than pulling us apart.

‘Single / partner / married / divorced / player / on the market / parent / other’ leaves space for stories of loneliness, split-parenthood with access issues, “my wife sent me here!”, I’m a sex addict / sex starved, don’t know how to not be my short-tempered father to my son. Relationship status and shadow stories are touched upon to invite hearts and hurts into our circle.

‘My greatest fear right now…’

Is it flippant to throw ‘Sexuality…’ straight in there so early? Maybe a man is here to explore sexuality issues that are best closeted for now, or until there’s safe, consistent space in a closed group to unpack sexualised shadows. We name it from the outset, put it aside, get on the same side with the dominant and the shy, the straight and the gay, the experienced and the virginal swapping tips, advice and guidance.

The ‘Ground Rules’ clearly states that this is not a therapy group, not an encounter group, not a w*nk group or a place to pick up men for sex, not a group for or against men or women, not a religious or spiritual group, not a political group, not a group of anything apart from whatever the men present make it. Such boundaries are designed to keep our circle clean and free of expectation and ulterior motives.

Another eye-roller is ‘Favourite piece of clothing / label / gadget…’ which allows people to express individuality, nonchalance, love of the Leatherman pen knife, an i-something, power tool, or the dapper designs of Paul Smith. It is so important to throw a couple of annoying questions in the mix, to balance the power in the room and prepare for shockers, like ‘the ejaculation question’ that instantly changes tone from the safety of insufferable questions like this one!

Question nine (of twelve) is ‘My greatest fear, right now…’ With cages rattled and shadows cast, we dive deeper. Men might disclose their greatest fear in life, their greatest fantasy, or their greatest fear in this present moment. Some are here because they are living their greatest fear, so we are straight into the thick of things. The ‘right now’ part of this question is a key, designed to explore from the present, beyond pain from the past and fear of the future.

‘The last time I cried…’

Then comes ‘I hate…’ which gives space to spillages of honesty where the unspeakable is spoken and cats roam far outside of their bags. Often men express how strong the word ‘hate’ is and how they don’t go there, then they offer niggles, narks and nuisances instead. However, as the floor is opened to the bottom-line, strong opinions and deeply-buried obsessions begin to spill out with various proportions of confession, performance and showmanship. Often it is as if the group is at once donning and discarding the myriad masks of masculinity: Hero; victim; savior; mummy’s boy; martyr; monkey; lion or mouse.

‘I love…’ follows naturally, now the air has been cleared and space is opened to the free sharing of life’s loves: Self; wife; kids; quiet; money; a peaceful life; dog; smoking; sometimes nothing.

‘I am…’ is a right humdinger to end the check-in round. ‘I am’ are the most powerful words from which we create who we are and who we want to be. Again, this is not a trick question, but an opportunity for self-awareness and realignment into the here and now, with opportunity to adjust sails to catch more favorable winds in this world.

I’ve run many mixed groups and even women’s groups. Ejaculation didn’t quite hit the spot with the women, so I replaced it with ‘The last time I cried…’ and it works a treat!

I do ring my bell in darkness for two minutes at the beginning and at the end of a group, as ‘Newsweek’ Fin slowly counted down beyond the thirteen reverberating seconds that took us into quiet space. Only once in over a dozen years of holding the space for men’s groups has a man asked where men go in the silence. Two minutes can feel like a long time. Some meditated, some pretended to meditate, some power-thought (because they thought that’s what meditation is), some looked around at everyone and possibly freaked out a bit inside.

I usually take some slow deep breaths, concentrate on relaxing into my body as I get present in the room in this circle of men around the wee flame in the middle. I find my own space from the thoughts, feelings and niggles of the day, getting here and now with myself and the other men in the room, in this moment. Our space.

By Kenny D’Cruz

Kenny’s group facilitation handbook: “How to run a men’s group” will be out this year with full training programmes to follow. Contact him to stay in the loop and receive free chapters, updates, special offers, exclusive invitations, video tutorials, demonstrations and blogs for a better life.

“I understand why Kenny D, for his eccentricity, is a very good person for them to see. He sensitively prodded and cajoled, smiled and provoked, and almost in spite of myself I found myself talking honestly. He is a gentle voice in the ears of the many men who come to him for help with life – a man whisperer.” Finlay Young (Newsweek)

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  • Richard Collins

    Several comments worth making. You could easily ask men when was the last time they felt grief or sadness, or yes, when they last wept. Personally the sexual question leaves one with some concern, unless that’s a subject that’s clearly mentioned at the start. Clearly he respect women enough not to ask them sexual questions (one hopes), why the shift in tone for men? Are you sure it’s not a gayish group (fine if indicated), but are the lines being blurred by the question? What happens if one is impotent? (This is serious – for example, so many groups start out not as advertised, then trigger [‘upset’ in older language] people, or have a religious undertone, or have ‘advanced’ members quietly running things unannounced who are patronising and exclusive to others).
    Having attended (and infrequently run) groups that include music, movement and feeling – these sessions can be worthwhile. The question has to be asked – do they solve anything? Does anything get resolved or patterns shifted?
    Elephant in the room? Has he asked “Are men allowed to be a political group?”. If so, what should they be doing?

  • http://JohnAllman.UK John Allman

    It all sounds rather manipulative to me. Shock and awe rather than the facilitation billed. The writer’s obscure agenda, rather than any of the agendas that are forbidden, which covers most normal people might have (spiritual, political, etc).

  • Nick Woodall

    You can count me well and truly out, thank you. I prefer my ManShout Group that meets on the South Bank at Molineux, Wolverhampton.

  • Paul Mills

    How strange. I read this article on Friday, again over the weekend and again this morning. After 3 attempts I still feel a bit unclear about what point is that is being made and the nature of this kind of groups. So, I looked at kenny’s website which helped abit – but not much.

    On the other hand I also know that some of the people who have inspired me most in my adult life come across as very skewed and ‘edgy’ in their written work, and it’s easy to subconsciously choose to get stuck on something that ‘jars’ – such as a list of set questions….. . I guess also that groups have to work for the place in which they function – and I recognise that inner London is a different planet from the one that I now inhabit. Maybe it’s the mens group equivalent of speed dating – which lets face it is a very marmite thing in its own right….

  • Kenet

    I take ‘ if you don’t initiate young men they will burn down the village’ quite literally. I have worked with young people for 40 years as a wilderness guide and educator and have seen the damage that young men can cause when they have no clue to what being a man really is. I have been a member of The Mankind Project since before it had its name and it has given me tools to use myself with myself, and with young and old men alike. Different men need different tools, but it’s easy to see that money, power and status, does not make the man. K.

  • http://dadbloguk.com John Adams

    Oh wow. I’ll be honest, I’m not sure how I would have reacted to that question. Probably “why are you asking me this?”!!

  • Des Winchester

    I’ve been to Kenny’s groups on and off for a year and I have to say he is the only facilitator I really have consistently connected with throughout. He has a delightful and wicked sense of humour, accompanied by keen observation and a rare and frank self-disclosure that makes things happen. Those possibly ‘intrusive’ questions may seem OTT but they act as a time-saving lubrication (sorry) for desiccated men to get melting. And those of you who are auto-vexing on bitch or butch – no, it’s not a gay pick up group.

  • RIchard Collins

    I’m sorry to say you have COMPLETELY put me off Des. I found the way you have strangely phrased your last sentence to have caused more concern. It sound genuinely awful. I personally find it intrusive and bizarre. Litmus test: if it wouldn’t happen to women in a group, it shouldn’t happen to men. That’s all from me on this one. (Apologies for being terse, but if you read through your ‘answer’, you’ve kind of proved my concerns to be accurate).

  • Alan C

    I’ve been to Kenny’s Men Speak groups several times. When that question was asked on my first visit, I initially felt awkward telling my truth. The regular guys present, seemed more relaxed and answered honestly. After a while I soon felt the positive effect it had on the group, including one man who talked about his related health issues for the first time. There was nothing but empathy and support.

    I wish there was this level of communication and support in my fathers generation. I grew up in a family suffocating in sexual secrets and lies. My father didn’t even mention the word “sex”. The atmosphere was laden with guilt and shame and there was absolutely no communication. Those events left deep scars that have taken many years to unravel.

    It was refreshing to hear a bunch of guys talking honestly without embarrassment, ego and shame. This goes well beyond the ‘E’ word.

    Thanks Kenny for opening the gate and letting men share what’s real to them.

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